Talk:Sirian
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Hawaiian said ...
Jamesm said ...
Hawaiian I think the following line from Jmmanuel provide us with the answer to that suggestion:
It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one's own consciousness. Page 110 - The Talmud of Jmmanuel. I've recently been reading it again.
Drekx was bringing confusion to others with his lies and untruths and so we should not allow that to happen. By deleting the conversation others will not have a chance to become confused by him.
--Jamesm 22:56, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Zameen said ...
Before i discovered BEAM, I was looking at everything for information on UFO's and all related articles and topics. for some reason, when i saw pics of Billy, I stayed away from him for some reason and I am still unsure why. I found the Galactic Federation of Light and became pretty interested, wanted to know more so I searched out everything I could find. I must have listened to 4 months of that computer voice and at first I must admit I kinda believed it. I was whisked away with the thoughts of being "whisked away" so that I did not have worry about our past discretion's and we were going to be magically lifted into highly evolved states all at the same time, under the polar ice caps, in crystal chambers. soon all these "channeler's" begin to pop up constantly and the computer voice became less grammatically correct, the tone and verbiage was taking on a less serious tone and through the inevitable degradation of too many people trying to do it, just became too stupid to go along with. the ideas smack of other ideas, philosophies,etc. i explored Barbara Marciniak, she was trying to say that the " pleadians wanted women to dabble remnants of their menses in each corner of the property to strengthen some kind of spiritual bond or something totally ridiculous. I found George Green and he just sounded like Alex Jones all over again. I had my go with that guy and found him to be utterly not listenable. And finally ended up listening to everything R. Winters had on youtube. including the 150 part series on BEAM. when I finally went to the FIGU site, the first thing I saw was a list of all these people plus a bunch more that FIGU was warning against. I found that to be very interesting and since then as they say "the rest is history. I have found more than just information, but a steady, consistent, stream of deep knowledge, strong philosophy, and totally corroborative insight in regards to prophecy and prediction. I find myself applying these things to my everyday life and am met with good reaction from the world around me. I know that I will continue this exploration for the remainder of my days and hopefully be re-acquainted with this bountiful and generous organization in the next lives to come!! SALOME:)
--Zameen 22:57, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Zameen thanks for that fairly detailed account of your evolution in separating the wheat from the chaff! Mine is similar, just the names change a little.
I'm not sure why I have always been interested in things extraterrestrial and the questions about my inner self but it has always been so. I used to be a daydreamer too but that might be because I'm a Pisces to some extent. I have read many books on UFOs over the last 15 years. Sheldon Nidle's book You Are Becoming A Galactic Human was probably one of the first. It was interesting back in 1994 approx and I also started reading his website updates on the progress of the photon belt. This included claims that when it hits Earth we were going to ascend into the 5th dimension and then they will land (the Galactic Fed of Light). Then we were going to be rejuvenated by their technology I think and become integrated with their society. All very desirable things to a young man of my disposition. These updates on his website got progressively repetitive and sillier until I saw through the illusion and deception. I also bought Barbara Marciniaks book but could not read past the first few chapters. It was simply not what I was looking for I think. The bit about menstrual blood also struck a big discordant note with me too.
Off I then went on a quest to find the real truth behind UFOs and also about my inner self. I read UFO books like Alien Liaison, Unearthly Disclosure and The UFO Encyclopaedia, and also books on reincarnation such as Life After Life. Gaiaguys have my thanks for telling me about the significance of Billy which resulted in me investigating Billy's writings very thoroughly and making this website what it is today. Of course there are many other contributors who also have my thanks. They know who they are. They should thank themselves silently :)
--Jamesm 23:33, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
Jamesm and Zameen,
I was actually looking forward in engaging Drekx more, because in the end he/she was avoiding my questions which was probing his/her knowledge and trickles of contradictions/delusions started to appear.
I do admit, he/she knows quite a bit about BEAM, but is misguided in acknowledging the entire messages and "stuck" on religious dogmas, but who knows, maybe he/she would have a change of heart once we get to "massage" his/her brain a little more? But, you may be right in not letting (he/she quit) the posting sway others away from the truth.
Now, as far as being attracted to Billy's mission, it was more of a chance encounter while doing some research on UFO topics. I've experienced an incident over 15 years ago while suddenly having the urge to look outside the window around 2 AM.
There were about 5 or 6 shinning objects all equally spaced apart just motionless in the sky about 1 mile away. I just looked at it for about several minutes, then in my mind wanted to get a closer look, which it approached and stayed there, now right over the hills only about 100 meters, still all equally spaced apart, but now more defined and exactly the way Billy shows them in his pictures.
At this time, although not trained in telepathy, I tried to contact "it" and got an immediate response which I can only describe as something like being looked over "under a huge microscope", very odd feeling that scared the s%$t out of me.
Instantly all the objects started slowly moving to the right, which in my mind I brushed it off as being a illusion, but at that instant, these objects then moved in a sine way fashion, equally space intervals across the sky!
Also, when I was a 7 year old kid and late for baseball practice, I couldn't reach for my baseball bat which was in a big box. Tried, but couldn't reach it, out of frustration, that bat moved from the far corner and right into my hands!
Also, at times I get dreams of meeting people or experiencing things that in the future, it still happens, but now it's much more interactive, just like in real life sometimes. Actually had 3 separate dreams meeting Jesus Christ and his disciples, the last time I told him to F&^k off and join the creator overlords when he tried to put a crown on my head.
There are more incidents, which I don't want to talk about because it will get others in trouble. And that is why I currently read and study BEAM, but now I'm more interested in the spiritual application and one theory I'm working on called the "Equational Potentials", which I have forwarded to FIGU about 2 weeks ago and gotten no response???
Saalome
--Hawaiian 00:24, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
Drekx was one unique person I'll tell you that but felt had an uncomfortable aura about how DO worded and altered many things. I hope this person finds peace in there many lifetimes or youtube is in danger. :) j/k
--Mark 01:56, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Zameen said ...
you guys are pretty cool
--Zameen 04:31, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Dave said ...
Jamesm,
I think your action was appropriate. This forum should not be a sounding board for those delusional thoughts. As you rightly said, it would bring confusion to others with lies and untruths. This forum should serve only to present new revelations and clarified existing Meier materials.
Very wise, by the way, in using the TJ to guide you.
Dave
--Dave 05:12, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Zameen said ...
could it be that the exchanges afforded to drekx here at this site served as the aforementioned need for more debate on this subject? perhaps this could help he/she in realizing certain truths delusion-ally withheld? or maybe the much needed exploration into our own REAL understanding of such an expansive subject. i have a lot to do!!
--Zameen 05:43, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Benjamin Stevens said ...
I have to agree with Hawaiian, in that it’s too bad that all of the comments made by Drekx Omega were completely deleted. In fact, it is extremely unfortunate. Thankfully, people can still read the discussion in the history section of the Talk:Taljda page, if they so desire.
Basically, here’s what the entire conversation boiled down to: Drekx Omega offered information that wasn’t found in the Meier material and that, in some parts, disagreed with it. While some were willing to inquire into why Drekx concludes what he does, others simply attacked him, for no other presented reason than that he was saying things that couldn’t be found anywhere in the Meier material. Then, in response to the fact that Drekx was saying things that couldn’t be found in the Meier material, he was forced into silence and designated as a false prophet.
I would like all who were actively involved in the discussion to consider a few things:
What would have a more positive impact on those who are new to the case and who are visiting a website in order to learn more about it:
1. While looking at a discussion on a particular page, they see that information which doesn’t agree with the Meier material is welcomed and that, nevertheless, logical and polite arguments are presented by those who disagree with such information. 2. While reading a discussion on a page, they see that information which doesn’t agree with the Meier material is baselessly attacked and then silenced into oblivion, for no other presented reason than that it doesn’t agree with the Meier material.
Also, what would be seen by those who are new to the case and who are seeing what is going on in point number 2 above? Would they see individuals - who harshly attack and silence anything that disagrees with them, for evidently no other reason then that they disagree with it - as those who are confident in their worldview and who are actively able to defend it, or would they see such individuals as those who rotely believe in anything that they know their teacher says and who are hopelessly threatened by anything that disagrees with what they know?
Finally, does the second set of individuals described above sound anything like the cult-followers of today?
I must say that I am very disappointed in the discussion that I observed over the past couple of days, and Drekx Omega, if you read this and it means anything to you, I apologize for the misconduct of the many individuals on that thread, who claim to own the truth for themselves. I applaud how you conducted yourself through it all and, by this, see that you are much wiser than those who attacked you.
--Benjamin Stevens 16:06, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Sheila said ...
Hi James, you should actually put everything back and headline it as "illusion of grandeur". As the old saying goes, hold your friends close, and your enemies closer. I don't see it as a bad thing and it may open others eyes to the ways of the liars, deceivers and swindlers. It's good to see what a person is up against and the tools used to defend ourselves, may be of help to others? (Plus I didn't get to see the "ending" before it was dismantled, lol)
--Sheila 16:09, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Schantz said ...
Below is from the website that Drekx kept promoting. While he's entitled to his opinion, I'm also entitled to mine. I wonder how Meier supporters would have been treated if we went to his website and started insulting him and his information.
Dear world,
If we are to be free human beings, then we must learn to accept God as our Authority.
If we do not accept God as our Authority, then we accept satan or his representatives as our authority.
To anyone who wants to control you…ask them “WHO IS YOUR AUTHORITY?”….IF THEY ANSWER GOD, THEN THEY MUST PROVE IT IN EVERY THOUGHT THEY COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, INCLUDING HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAWS OF GOD AND CREATION. IF THEY DON’T ANSWER GOD, THEN THEY ARE NOT YOUR AUTHORITY AND THEY NEED TO BE CORRECTED AS TO WHY THEY ARE NOT GOD’S REPRESENTATIVE AND THEREFORE ARE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SATAN. AT THAT POINT YOU MAY REITERATE THAT YOU ARE NOT ENSLAVED BY SATAN AND THAT SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVE IS IN GROSS ERROR, RATHER YOU ARE A FREE BEING OF GOD.
NOTE: GOD WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT ANY AGREEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED WITH SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVES ARE NO LONGER BINDING, AND THEY NEVER WERE! WHY IS THIS SO? IT IS SO, BECAUSE SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVES HAVE NOT SIGNED THEIR CONTRACTS IN GOOD FAITH, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF ANY BINDING CONTRACT. IF YOUR GOVERNMENTS, COURTS, CORPORATIONS, BANKS ARE NOT UNDER GOD, THEN EFFECTIVELY, THEIR CONTRACTS ARE NULL AND VOID. A CONTRACT OF SOMEONE WHO IS OUT TO DESTROY YOU (INNOCULATE YOU WITH POISONS, POISON YOUR AIR, WATER, SOIL AND LIFE)…THIS CONTRACT IS NOT BINDING.
I for one stand by my comments to Drekx, and have no need to apologize for any misconduct on my part.
--Schantz 17:02, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Schantz said ...
In regards to deleting a poster and his comments that don't agree with the Meier material. One option could be to have a disclaimer at the top of every "talk page", stating something like "people may post information here that goes against the spiritual teaching of Billy Meier."
That way people can have their say whether we agree with them or not.
I do think the rest of this website should be Meier material only and if someone intentionally posts false information then their information should be deleted.
--Schantz 17:35, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
I do have to admit that Drekx Omega did point out some issues that need some work on, however I was noticing some movement on his/her part away from the religious dogmas and admitted at one point not to believe such matters.
It's too bad the discussion ended as I was trying to get him/her committed to the benevolent Sirian connection that was proven by BEAM's conversation with Ptaah not to exist, besides the gift and arrest of the MIB. The only Sirian connection to the degeneration of Earth humans so far as I can see are the creator overlords and their "traitor" counterparts.
The "connection" that Drekx was eluding for was the benevolent Sirians and the reasons why he/she believed they have taken over from the Plejaren's departure.
He/she already committed to not being religiously oriented, thus if the "link" on the benevolent Sirian could be broken (in Drekx's mind), then he/she would have to admit all along that only Sirians "obligated" to make amends are the creator overlords and their counterparts. Thus he/she would have to admit that the religions and DNA manipulation and other degenerative things done to Earth humans are none other than those mentioned above not the benevolent Sirians. So in essence, that would have brought Drekx completely around full circle and back into the folds of what Billy and us knew all along in the first place.
We would have gotten an ally instead of a adversary and all those that go to his/her site would also have been influenced in some way or another? I read in one passage that even Billy was told by the Plejaren not to confront one of his inner circle member directly for a similar encounter, but to keep him as it would be more beneficial than having an adversary on the outside causing more trouble and confusion, I forgot which Contact Note, would appreciate it if someone can point it out or correct me if wrong, but I do recall such a note.
Anyways, I would agree that we need to discuss such matters more as Zameen suggested.
--Hawaiian 18:32, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Benjamin you think I should not have deleted the conversation and that others should not have insulted Drekx Omega?
It was clear to me that he was a fraud. I do not want to waste my time chatting with frauds who just fill up the page with their falsehoods and cause me and likely others confusion about Billy's authenticity (however improbable that may be) so I and others ensured that Drekx got the message he wasn't welcome.
Deletion of the page also reduces the chances of other future visitors becoming confused by that silver tongue. You want that too don't you? Would you have preferred it if we simply, briefly and politely asked him to leave in a calm manner without accusing him of anything? I suppose you would be right but only if we were from planet Vulcan :)
I also do not want to welcome every Tom, Dick and Harry who want to challenge the Meier material without substantiating their claims even a little. There are plenty of forums out there where those fantasy's can be explored. Drekx had a chance to substantiate and he failed to even try.
By the way, I think opinionated people are welcome here as long as they explain how they arrived at their viewpoint. For example, I think Obama is evil because x, y and z. Not because Jeff Rense (rense.com) has a juicy article on him.
--Jamesm 00:49, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Sheila said ...
Hi James, when in doubt, check out what Ptaah has to say at the end of contact report 432: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_432
Still curious as to what book he stole his information from?
--Sheila 04:54, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Sheila,
Are you talking about this: The whole thing corresponds to complete nonsense, and it is quite good if you publish this feeblemindedness so that Earth humans can see clearly which charlatanism and which feeblemindedness is driven and disseminated through this Richard Boylan. ? So you think by not deleting the conversation people will see Drekx's charlatanism?
--Jamesm 08:21, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Drekx could be Richard Boylan for all we know!
--Jamesm 08:27, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
Dretx Omega was referring to the Sirians, those that gave a ship to Ptaah's father. This Boylan appears to connect his delusions to the Zeta and looks much more crudely defined than Dretx. I think they are different personalities.
And yes, I think it would be a good idea to repost the entire discussion, but it needs to be summarized pointing out (highlighted) the distortions with logical explanations that contradict itself with the Contact Reports. Can it be edited using MS Word and re-inputted into this format? I tried once, but some OCR are not recognized and revert back to plain text. I would love to analyze this, however brief in nature.
It's too bad, Drekx Omega quit, he/she is highly intelligent and would have been a challenge to engage in further interaction, because quite frankly some of his/her ideas do have merit. Things like followers do on occasions treat BEAM's material like some religious doctrine, quoting directly without applying their logical reasoning behind it. I too have experienced such responses on ideas that appear counter to BEAM's material, but when correlated to some direct Contact Report, the heat appears to cool off with reason.
Censoring this person only validates his/her assumption that BEAM's mission appears to look like some cult movement that only caters to those that accepts its messages and that he only represents those that do. Remember that Jmmanuel spoke to Billy and said that the 7th prophet is responsible for ALL dimensions, so that in theory also represents those that are degenerative, even the creator overlords (if they wish to make amends) which pretty much includes all of us too!
Next time another comes into this realm and start to ramble on....let us converse with them until they come full circle, we become stronger in the process and they also become wiser as well. Without the negative, the positive has no harmony for further evolution.
cheers
--Hawaiian 18:57, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Hawaiian you have a point and I'm willing to go along with it. We are all going to the same destination and so we might as well help each other along the way, rather than leave them in the desert to the vultures.
--Jamesm 21:07, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Dave said ...
Jamesm,
I'm writing again in support of your action. Drekx Omega's intent was clearly to distract this forum. He was not someone seeking clarification on the Meier material, but to push or sell his/her delusional views. This was clearly evident when an alias was concocted to support his/her own views. You will not be able to reason with such person. This person belongs in the loony bin, with quotes like "The most important factors within the H1N1 vaccine are, as speculated, intended to reduce Earth’s population and that is why they are targeting the long term sick, children and pregnant women."*, or" Note that the NWO Illuminati had originally intended to activated their “one world government” plan in 2000 AD, but were delayed by a split in their ranks in 1995. If they had been successful then, the DNA changes would have been “nipped in the bud” earlier and we would all now be slaves under their control. Instead, history and GOD is turning the tables on the bad guys and soon you will witness their fall from grace and our rise to full consciousness and membership of the Galactic Federation of Light." Not enough, read his website. Highly intelligent? No. Schizophrenic? highly probable.
--Dave 21:07, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Indeed, Dave. We cannot do anything about the mentally ill except to refer them to a medical service. But I dont wish to appear hypocritical so I need to draw a clear line somewhere. Someone mentioned putting a disclaimer somewhere, I think it was Schantz. What should the disclaimer state? The comments posted here are in no way endorsed by FIGU and are not subject to verification by anyone except those seeking verification themselvse. No racist or hatred-inciting comments permitted. Reasoned criticism very welcome. ?
--Jamesm 21:41, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
What about the loonies? How can I insert them into the disclaimer too?
--Jamesm 21:43, 26 August 2010 (BST)
Zameen said ...
What was that essay on European rule that was so lengthily explained under "main page" I think. it's the John Saxon thing. What was that?
--Zameen 05:09, 27 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Zameen click on the "history" tab at the top of the page and you will see what he wrote. Pointless, off the topic, self-aggrandizing drivel.
--Jamesm 08:28, 27 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Zameen here is a direct link to his drivel: click here
--Jamesm 08:40, 27 August 2010 (BST)
Benjamin Stevens said ...
Hello James.
Well, this is, in fact, your web page, and as web master, you have full control over what you allow or do not allow on your site. That being said, you do, indeed, allow any comments from any individuals to appear on your site. I, personally, would never choose to allow this at all. I thought about having an open blog on my own page, but then I realized that certain things such as what I witnessed recently would be appearing on it all the time, and thus, I decided against it. Right now, I just plan to leave it at the fact that people can post blog comments on the myspace blogs, but all comments first have to be approved by me before they can appear on the page. Thus, all the garbage that comes in is never presented to the public. Of course, in your case, being that this is a Wiki page, I don’t know if you have the ability to shut off the Talk function, but nevertheless, such is the route that you have decided to take, and thus, you must decide how exactly you want to handle it.
Obviously, you have no control over the actions and behavior of others who make comments on these pages, so they all have to examine themselves, decide how they want to present themselves, and conclude what effects their conduct will have on the mission. Nevertheless, you do have control over how such things are ultimately handled. And quite frankly, yes, I’d choose a calm, simple, brief, and polite request to ask him to leave over what I saw any day. In addition, there are also ways to bring up and discuss the veracity of his statements in calm, polite, and especially open-minded manners as well. But each person has to learn to do this himself.
I honestly like the idea of moving such conversations that arise to another page on the site where such can be discussed – especially in this case, since the talk had nothing to do with “Taljda.” Heck, THIS entire thread should be moved somewhere else since it has nothing to do with “Sirian,” which is also why I don't plan to post any more comments in this regard here. With how many pages are already on this site and with how people are already using the Talk sections as miniature discussion forums, I don’t think it would be too hard to do this. But if you would rather just delete messages from such people and make them feel completely unwelcome, then you are certainly free to do so.
Regards.
--Benjamin Stevens 18:51, 27 August 2010 (BST)
Jamesm said ...
Ben thank you for your suggestions, I always appreciate suggestions and criticism.
--Jamesm 21:57, 27 August 2010 (BST)
Zameen said ...
i wont be reading any of that. just curious how things like that pop up here and there.:)
--Zameen 01:07, 28 August 2010 (BST)
TheUFOGuy said ...
What do these humans look like?
--TheUFOGuy 07:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Jamesm,
Do you delete the comments made by Drekx Omega? If yes, too bad, it could have served as a reminder to others he/she may have mislead and continued by others of such capacity. A "testament" or example to avoid being swayed away from Creational teachings.
It was an excellent exercise of fruitily and I would have loved to do a summary analysis in short order so that others on the fringe may have a direct exposure from the frauds who are out there in lala land, but can cause terrible damage to those not familiar to BEAM's mission.
Maybe it could be revised, taking out the abusive language and personal attacks and just concentrating on the topic at hand? Just my opinion.
Saalome
--Hawaiian 22:33, 24 August 2010 (BST)