Talk:Contact Report 116
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Markvd said ...
Cat said ...
Very sad ending...
--Cat 00:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Markvd said ...
Don't feel bad Cat because it's only CR 116 they unite once again later to form the universal all stars.:) There sure is a lot of emotional moments which is good because if they lacked that I would fear they were robots.
--Markvd 00:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Bridak said ...
What a bad ending. I have just awakened and don't understand all of this yet. Why release that in english only today when it happened in 1978?
Love and Light to you all.
--Bridak 17:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
RemR said ...
wow... this is by far the most dramatic exchange i have ever read in the contact reports... i can't wait to read 117 and 118 to see how it got turned around
--RemR 18:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Jamesm said ...
Bridak, I would say it was only just released because only now was someone inclined to translate it into English (thanks go to the translator Ben Stevens for that).
This ending might be some kind of "reverse psychology" by Billy and the Plejaren to "sort out" the heads of the FIGU core group back then. Or..it might be simply how it reads...the Plejaren put too much pressure on Billy and he lost emotional control or let go of it perhaps, but only temporarily. Perhaps!
--Jamesm 00:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
RemR,
See Contact Report 137, lines 35-50, when Quetzal programmed two androids, one representing Billy and the other, the inner core group members. The Plejarens ran an experiment to see what would happen when these two interacted. The one that represented Billy short circuited and burned up trying to reason with the inner core degenerates.
And the other did irrational things and blew up the space ship on the planet Pluto, Thus the Plejarens admitted they were not reasonable and over bearing to Billy.
There are more interesting conversations between Billy and the Plejarens, which resulted in their reassessment in continuing the mission. Bear in mind that they had more than 48,000 years of peace to evolve into the state they are currently at, without interferences or power lustful leaders imposing themselves on others, religious degenerative dogmas or shorten life spans in a relatively safe time-shifted dimension environment which they currently reside on.
Creational laws and directives works fine in these conditions, however because the Plejarens lack the necessary EXPERIENCE in such matters currently engrossed in Earthly matters such as those listed above and more negative influences, their mindset of applying such Creational methods to Earth humans may need to be adjusted to conditions here on this planet. As more interaction between Billy and the Plejarens, they become more reasonable and allow exceptions to Creational Laws and directives by BEAM simply for the fact that the Earthly environment does not follow “normal” conventions. See Contact Report 115: Found at the bottom section not the top (Semjase)
Quetzal: 35. Everything in it is described, presented, and explained very much better than what would have been possible for me to do.
36. However, you should modify certain things a little, in the sense that you interweave some values, which have been worked out for you all by the High Council for a long time in accordance with earthly values.
37. The giving of laws and commandments - you should absolutely work these into your work, which then requires, however - as said - some changes in reference to transpositions.
38. If it is opportune for you, then I can transmit these laws and commandments to you tomorrow, so that you don't come into default with your work relating to this.
Jamesm, yes you’re right about the “reverse psychology” approach by Billy, even the High Council says the same when asked by the Plejarens
--Hawaiian 08:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Sanjin said ...
Hawaiian, sorry for having to break this in on you, but you have a false understanding of this and are trying to justify your own uncrational behavior using the false interpretation.
What's even worse is that there are people out there who will listen to you and you will be responsible for spreading false teachings, throwing people off from the truth and lead them astray, and exactly that is what I'm trying to prevent.
--Sanjin 13:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
Sanjin,
Your opinions are shallow and without merit if you cannot or will not support it with hard evidence. What part of my post do you disagree on and back it up with facts or references?
I reference my posts and "connect" it appropriately unless of course you are "confused" as it reflects on your support of homosexuality which accordingly to Billy is "confusion".
--Hawaiian 20:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Sanjin said ...
Hawaiian, I am simply referring to the "changing" or "allowing exceptions" to the Creational laws and recommendations. The excerpt you posted has nothing to do with changing the laws and directives/recommendations. It has to do with some script with prophecies that Billy was working on. And Quetzal stated that the script should be changed around so that some laws and directives/recommendations can be integrated.
It is quite possible that the English text allows for misinterpretations because one of the most difficult things to do when translating is making sure that misunderstandings can not occur. Sometimes I have to read an excerpt 10-20 times, think about it during the day, probably even at night, to be able to notice it, in case I even notice them.
But even if you, or me, or someone else takes for example the Goblet of Truth with a pdf editor and changes some sentences and laws around, it does not mean that the laws and recommendations are changed. When the text is changed around, it does not represent the laws anymore, but merely a lie that once represented the truth in a written form.
I'll research the homosexuality issue later, because it is not a top priority for me. What is true is that homosexuality is naturally occurring and should not be disdained, unless is it some degenerate form of homosexuality like promiscuity, changing the body to be able to bear offspring, pedophilia, etc.
--Sanjin 21:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
Sanjin, Don't waste your valuable time on the topic of homosexuality; it is a problem for those in that category to resolve it themselves. Except in genetic disorders, all human males have the XY chromosomes while females have the XX, because males are considered positive while females negative and the processing of creational energies are different because of this, confusion will result if one's mindset is not compatible to one's genes. Thus, there are some internal conflicts going on similar to what happens when one smokes prior to meditation, the body is contaminated and needs to rid itself of such disharmony therefore the beneficial aspects are not fully utilized. Could this be the reason why at the Center, women and men meditate separately? Now, about Creational laws being "cut in stone", I still have doubts because it stagnates further evolution for events that resulted from uncreational interferences. Nokodemjion's dilemma demonstrates that such an occurrence is possible, going backwards from a purely spiritual level into a material body, which we all know is not the type of "degeneration" one would consider that follows Creational laws which are progressive in nature? We know that one reason why he came back is to bring reason and control for the white races he co-created who plundered this DERN universe, but could it also be that while in the Arahat Athersata pure spiritual realm, he is still responsible for the uncreational acts being committed by his material peoples? Thus, to prevent further contamination to other Arahat BEINGS, Nokodemjion with assistance of the Petale level came back as a physical human being. How would you feel if you where in the same situation, would you continue on your evolutionary trek or do what he did? Now comes the real question, apply this example to those who are currently in power to make the necessary “corrections” to uncreational deeds. Do you continue on your evolutionary trek and hope for the best to happen under Creational laws and directives or do you apply yourself utilizing the Equational Potential formulas that encompasses ALL relevant parties to this most complex equation that supersedes dimensions, time/space? The Plejarens may not be the only ones in possession of such analytical technologies and abuse is always a factor to consider by unscrupulous entities still obsessed with lust for power.
--Hawaiian 21:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Alive said ...
Quetzal: 76. We would first have to let these things be clarified by the High Council, but it would certainly look like this: that for this task, a young married couple would be determined or else a virgin, who would be inseminated as such and would also bear a child still as a virgin.
Billy: Do you mean that even with the young married couple, the woman would still have to be a virgin, or am I mistaken there? And at the same time, are you also thinking of an artificial procreation?
Wiki's explaination on artificial insemination:
"Artificial insemination, or AI, is the process by which sperm is placed into the reproductive tract of a female for the purpose of impregnating the female by using means other than sexual intercourse or NI. In humans, it is used as assisted reproductive technology, using either sperm from the woman's male partner or sperm from a sperm donor (donor sperm) in cases where the male partner produces no sperm or the woman has no male partner (i.e., single women, lesbians). In cases where donor sperm is used the woman is the gestational and genetic mother of the child produced, and the sperm donor is the genetic or biological father of the child.
Artificial insemination is widely used for livestock breeding, especially for dairy cattle and pigs. Techniques developed for livestock have been adapted for use in humans.
Specifically, freshly ejaculated sperm, or sperm which has been frozen and thawed, is placed in the cervix (intracervical insemination – ICI) or, after washing, into the female's uterus (intrauterine insemination – IUI) by artificial means.
In humans, artificial insemination was originally developed as a means of helping couples to conceive where there were 'male factor' problems of a physical or psychological nature affecting the male partner which prevented or impeded conception. Today, the process is also and more commonly used in the case of choice mothers, where a woman has no male partner and the sperm is provided by a sperm donor."
Wiki's explaination on virgin: "A virgin (or maiden) originally meant a woman who has never had sexual intercourse. Virginity is the state of being a virgin. It is derived from the Latin virgo, which means "sexually inexperienced woman". As in Latin, the English word is also often used with wider reference, by relaxing the age, gender or sexual criteria. Hence, more mature women can be virgins (The Virgin Queen), men can be virgins, and potential initiates into many fields can be colloquially termed virgins; for example, a skydiving "virgin". In the latter usage, virgin simply means uninitiated.
By extension from its primary sense, the idea that a virgin has a sexual "blank slate", unchanged by any past intimate connection or experience, leads to the abstraction of unadulterated purity (see below). Hence, virgin can even be used with non-human referents. Unalloyed metal is sometimes described as virgin. Some cocktails can be described as virgin, when lacking the alcoholic admixture. Similarly, olive oil may be called virgin if it contains no refined oil and has an appropriate acidity. Unfertilized gametes and computer systems can be virgin. Females of various species, by analogy with Homo sapiens, if they have never mated, can also be called virgin.
---- M -- 19:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Spiritual Warrior said ...
Love and Light Billy.
--Spiritual Warrior 16:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems many unqualified were assembled for this mission. I hope they weren't drawn from a hat.:) It seems that many seem to think of Earth as an afterthought when planning for all possible scenarios or underestimated the task. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
--Markvd 02:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)