Investigation Into UFO Websites

www.ufomagazine.co.uk

1st Thread

• URL on Meier: Initially found no information on Meier so posted a response on a forum thread at My take on the UFO phenomena and human origins
• Initial Verdict: See 2nd thread below.
• Action Taken: Posted the following response to the above forum thread.

Good original post Darkstar. I too experienced something similar during my search for the truth. You could also call it an awakening. I eventually found my version of the truth when I read about Eduard Albert Meier and his contactors, the Plejaren. Have you researched this contactee case at all anyone?

Many of mankind's questions have now been answered by them and I continue to learn more on a weekly basis. Eduard's nickname is Billy and he is generally better known as Billy Meier rather than as Eduard Meier. I came to the conclusion that this was and still is the most important, ongoing face-to-face and telepathic contactee case after reading most of the available material that is in English. It has been ongoing since 1942 when he was 5 years old. The information that Billy and the Plejaren have given us is very compelling and useful to our future as a global civilisation if we care to listen and take their advice. Even following their advice on how to live according to the Laws and Recommendations of Creation can help our world evolve with less pain and suffering than we are scheduled to experience.

They also confirm in detail how the religions of today came about and include the influences of specific ET groups of the time. Their ancestors were some of our gods of old. This relationship we have with the Plejaren is the reason why they felt part responsibility to assist us, albeit in only an advisory capacity.

They also mention Adam as the first human of the white race, created when a male ET human called Semjasa procreated with a primitive human female called an Eva. Her name wasn't Eva, it was the name given to the primitive indigenous human race at the time, which was 13,000 years ago. But there were also other lineages that were created by this method, the black and red races are two of these. This explains the missing link.

They explain when the great natural disaster occurred e.g. the great floods, what caused them and also how the Great Pyramid of Giza was built to survive a particularly bad one 73,000 years ago whereby approx 200,000 slaves + animals performed most of the work but telekinetic devices/forces were also used for a small part of the construction. Many slaves died over the many-decade construction period.

Meier and the Plejaren also explained how climate change is 75% caused by human beings because of overpopulation and that a global but phased birth stop is the only way to prevent the worst of the coming catastrophies. All of the current proposals to counteract climate change i.e. reduce CO2 emissions, have been deemed insufficient as long as the overpopulation problem continues to exist. Our ideal worldwide population has been calculated to be 529,000,000. But that's only if we want to live in true harmony and abundance. I do, don't you?

Please see http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk for more answers if you wish to find out more.

There is still so much that I do not know though...

2nd Thread

• URL on Meier: Several negative posts in forum in an old thread Billy Meier , Contactee or conman ?
• Initial Verdict: All forum poster seem taken in by the UFO photos and presume they were hoaxed by Meier himself with no consideration for other logical explanations for their alleged discrepancies.
• Action Taken: I posted the following reply to the above thread.

I've found this thread thanks to google search. I hope you don't mind me bringing this old thread out of retirement? I like a good banter and hope you all do too. I am pro-Meier by the way but yes, I'm still a human being you know, from Earth. :D

I see that many of you seem to know a hoax when you "see" one using a very small amount of data i.e. some photos, videos and your life experiences thus far. I'd like to give you my perspective on the case by responding to some of your opinions. I have read extensively on the case and would like to stir some debate in the Ufological community.

Darkstar: There are several photos of alien craft which all bear remarkable resemblances , most are pictured next to exactly the same tree and positioned in such a way as to leave no light between tree and craft , giving the appearance that the craft is somehow attached to the tree.

Regarding the top photos the tree was proven to be a large tree and not a miniature because a photo was taken of it with a man standing next to it ( http://theyfly.com/newsflash5/Skeptic%27s_Last_Gasp.html ). If the tree is not a miniature and Adobe Photoshop did not exist back then therefore the craft is not a miniature. Regarding the second tree, it is not bending due to the craft's weight as it might do if it were large and attached to the tree and made from metal. The tree is not a miniature. 5 forestry professors have stated this fact ( http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm scroll a third of the way down the page). The craft are therefore not miniature. The craft would have cost thousands of USD in 1975 terms to make one . Meier was very poor and has one arm. The Plejaren want us to use logic when examining the evidence and did not want to make it easy to see it was a real craft. Logic therefore states that the craft in these photos is a large and real object in most photos. Several hundred out of 1400+ photos were tampered with by negative third parties and distributed into the ufo community years ago.

Darkstar: The grainy video footage he provides , whilst looking very impressive for the date it was shot , today looks almost comical.Asif the craft were held up and jiggled around on a string.

Did you notice the sudden change in direction of the craft that would be impossible to do with strings? Did you notice the bending of the tree due to some kind of force, possibly wind as the craft passes over it? Logic states that it is most probably a real craft.

Darkstar: Dont get me started on the supposed "wedding cake" UFO !

And you happen to know that all real space craft in the entire universe do not look like wedding cakes? I don't either but that's what you're saying with that sentence.

Darkstar: Another of his claims is that these beings are aware of everything that will happen in our future.However he also claims that the same race of beings gave UFO technology to the Nazis during world war 2 as they thought they would use it to help forge a safer and more understanding world.How is this possible if they could see into our future ?

When they travel into or compute the future they can only see the most probable events. The Plejaren are also human being, like you and me and thus are fallible. They did not see the Giza Intelligences aka The Bafath influence Adolf Hitler via the Thule Society early enough to prevent him from going down the wrong path. They monitored him and sent him telepathic impulses for his supposed mission to bring peace to our world but after he was corrupted the telepathic impulses had no effect, and their directives prevented the Plejaren from directly interfering by, for example, assassinating The Bafath and the Thule Society members.

Darkstar: There is also a photograph said to be taken when Meier travel into the past and witnessed a dinosaur which again looks absolutely ridiculous.

I've explained how many photos were tampered with already. Some more info: The Plejaren discovered the tampering and attempted to eliminate all of the photos of The Great Journey Meier took into the past and future that were already in the public domain however they were not 100% successful.

Darkstar: Whilst there is no doubt that this man has led an incredible life I find it very difficult to believe that what this man claims in regard to the UFO phenomenon very hard to believe.

Believe nothing, use reason, logic, wisdom and intellect. You also need to do more research if you want to find the truth. It is not reasonable to judge an ET contactee case until you have studied most of the information about it that is available to you. I haven't found anything yet that could not be explained logically.

Zebedee: The general consensus is that it is all one big silly hoax. I did read somewhere that a couple of pictues taken by him were examined and shown to be "interesting" in so much as the size of the Crafts in the photos were not deemed to be model sized, as it were. Realistically, we can only work on the balance of probability that it is all a hoax, it really needs to be proved.

It is all one big silly hoax? Does this statement sound probable now that you have a little more information on the case? I think not but it still might to you. Some people in the UFO community say that his evidence is too good to be true. Do they want blurry UFO pictures forever? What is the point in that? Its illogical. Have you read all the scientific evidence, reports and analyses? If not, then surely coming to a conclusion already is premature don't you think? Perhaps Ufology for you is just a hobby and you don't "do" reading big reports and entire websites. If so, perhaps thats something you also need to rectify.

The evidence that Meier has given us is more than enough for anyone who can be bothered to study it. It seems to me that being "bothered" might be the biggest wall in front of us that still needs a good sledge hammer sent at it.

I hope this rings a few bells inside your consciousness. Now please ring some of mine. :P Lets bring Ufology out of the dark ages.

ufos.about.com

• URL on Meier: http://ufos.about.com/b/2009/03/09/billy-meier-positive-proof-or-negative-press.htm
• Initial Verdict: Balanced conclusion about Meier
• Action Taken: None
• Message Sent: None

www.ufos-aliens.co.uk

• URL on Meier: None visible
• Initial Verdict: No information on Meier visible
• Action Taken: Suggested they add an article on Meier for example the 1998 interview with Billy
• Message Sent: See below

From: James Moore [1]
Sent: 31 March 2010 11:37
To: 'littlegreys@hotmail.com'
Subject: You have nothing on the largest UFO case in history

Hi there,

I’m the webmaster of http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk and I’ve recently had a look at your site http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk . It’s an attractive looking site and the content is a decent read. I’ve already read about most of the subjects that you have articles on as I’ve been interested in the paranormal for many years.

However you are missing an article on the largest, most significant and still ongoing UFO contactee case in history. The Billy Meier UFO case. The Roswell Case is like a walk in the park compared to this one!

I’m quite surprised you haven’t got anything on it. It should go in your “Famous UFO Cases” section in the left-hand nav bar. As you may not know, Billy Meier has given us and still continues to give us a massive amount of data about us, our place in the universe, the universe itself and about many other things including shedding light on other UFO cases. His contactors, the Plejaren, obviously have advanced technology and have provided a lot of the info on other cases and many other things.

The evidence, both material and logical, for the case is also undeniable. In my opinion, one would have to be a rather closed-minded individual to come to the conclusion the case is a hoax.

If you are interested in adding an article please feel free to copy anything from my website. Other reputable sources on the Billy Meier case are http://us.figu.org or http://www.theyfly.com or you could use the following suggested article:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29

I look forward to hearing your response.

Regards

James Moore
BSc (Honours) Computing and Informatics
"The First Law of Sustainability: Population growth and/or growth in the rates of consumption of resources CANNOT BE SUSTAINED!"
Webmaster: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk

www.bufora.org.uk

• URL on Meier: None visible
  
• Initial Verdict: No information on Meier visible
  
• Action Taken: Suggested they perform their own analysis of already completed analyses
  
• Message Sent: See below

From: James Moore [2]
Sent: 31 March 2010 12:47
To: 'seufos@googlemail.com'; 'enquiries@bufora.org.uk'; 'stheatherd77@aol.com'; 'science@bufora.org.uk'
Subject: You have nothing on the largest UFO case in history

Dear BUFORA,

I’m the webmaster of http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk and I’ve recently had a look at your site http://www.bufora.org.uk . I’ve been interested in the paranormal for many years and so I decided to see what you have on your site.

I discovered that you are missing information about the most significant and still ongoing UFO contactee case in history. The Billy Meier UFO case. The Roswell Crash case is like a walk in the park compared to this one! I’m quite surprised you haven’t got anything on it. Perhaps you have and I just didn’t see it. If so please point it out to me.

As you may or may not know, Eduard Albert Meier (nickname Billy) and his contactors, the Plejaren, have given us, since 1951, and still continue to give us a significant amount of data about us, our place in the universe, the universe itself and about many other things including shedding light on other UFO cases. In fact if you actually read up on the case then you would understand the level of ET visitation on Earth and the reasons for their coming here. Indeed, years ago, once I got over the fascination of shiny flying objects in our airspace, I found that the answers to my deeper questions about us and them came from Meier and continue to come and continue to be plausible.

The evidence for the authenticity of the case, both material and logical, is also undeniable. In my opinion, one would have to be a rather closed-minded individual to come to the conclusion that the case is a hoax. Of course it has had claims of a hoax being made and there are also anti-hoax claims such as falsification of photos by third parties interested in burying the case. One has to ask oneself, who would want to bury the case?

Perhaps being a scientifically-oriented organisation you could do your own analysis of the analyses already done on the physical and witness evidence which you can find on my site or at the official websites http://www.figu.org and http://www.theyfly.com

I look forward to hearing your response.

Regards

James Moore
BSc (Honours) Computing and Informatics
"The First Law of Sustainability: Population growth and/or growth in the rates of consumption of resources CANNOT BE SUSTAINED!"
Webmaster: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk

Response from BUFORA

From: Richard Conway [3]
Sent: 01 April 2010 09:33
To: James Moore
Cc: seufos@googlemail.com; enquiries@bufora.org.uk; stheatherd77@aol.com
Subject: Re: You have nothing on the largest UFO case in history

Hello James,

Thanks for your email.

As you should have realised by our name we are the British UFO Research Association. It's good to see that you are keeping an information repository of well-known sightings. Indeed, BUFORA has written numerous articles paraphrasing existing research into the Billy Meier case which is available via eBay through 50 years of our magazine archives. Swiss ufology is not our primary aspect of research this should be left to Swiss UFO research organisations. Our role is more the accumulation and eventual identification of British sightings through diligent investigation.

Having not researched this case at all throughout our history for the above reason it would not be expedient to copy information that you and others are publishing. There is also enough information in the public domain for this case and when we go through a site redesign we will provide a link for interested parties. With regard to a scientific analysis of physical evidence I'm not sure we can contribute much in this area and with regard to witness evidence after 35 years passing all our experience tells us that no new information can reliably be recorded after the passing of so much time.

Regards,

Richard Conway
BUFORA Science Officer
Bsc/Msc (Hons) Computer Science, Bsc Physical Science, Bsc (Hons) Economics

www.ufoencounters.co.uk

• URL on Meier: http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/BillyMeier.html
• Initial Verdict: Several inaccuracies and untruths in article
• Action Taken: Requested corrections to article
• Message Sent: See below for message sent via web form

Nice article on Billy Meier you have. I am one of those people interested in the Meier case and even created a website to collate all the English language translations of his contact reports (www.futureofmankind.co.uk).

I have a few corrections for your Billy Meier article if you are receptive to this suggestion.

Quote: he has gathered around him a coterie of supporters which has assumed some cult-like qualities

Truth: A cult implies a religious group however the FIGU group are non-religious. FIGU also state that they are not a cult or a religious sect. FIGU is a German acronym that stands for Free Community of Interests for the Border and Spiritual Sciences and Ufological Studies. They stated the following about their purpose: In addition to publishing and distributing the documented experiences, facts and evidences of Billy's contacts, FIGU addresses many vital, worldwide issues on a daily basis. These include the crusade against overpopulation, the fight against the abuse of women and children, the protection of animals, human rights, and the struggle to save Planet Earth and its plants, animals and human life.

Quote: According to the prophecies, a Third World War is going to break out sometime between 2006 and 2011.

Truth: The Henoch Prophecies are not predictions and there is a difference between prophecies and predictions. Prophecies are avoidable if we change our thinking and actions for the better but predictions are unavoidable regardless of what we do.

Quote 1: A few people even claim to have come across models or photographs of models of the flying saucers in Meier’s home. When confronted, he replied that these were models he had made as reconstructions to help illustrate what he had experienced.

Truth: The models were made by other people not by Meier and look nothing like the beamships in the photographs according to Wendelle Stevens. One was made by a school boy.

Quote 2: Some people even claim to have identified the mysterious Semjase as a model whose images had been clipped from a catalogue or a television series.

Truth: It was not Semjase but Asket and her colleague Nera from the DAL universe whose photo was manipulated by the MIB. The MIB do exist yes, but not like in the movie lol. The MIB obtained the negatives from a photographer to whom they made severe threats unless he cooperated. The photographer had received the negatives from Meier to get them developed but handed them to the MIB who then went and did the dirty work.

Quote 3: He does still have a number of loyal followers out there, however, waiting for World War Three to break out any time now.

Truth: LOL we are not waiting for WW3 to break out! I hope it never happens. We are educating ourselves about our true purpose in life and how to be a true human being by studying Meier's spiritual teaching.

Conclusion: I hope you learn from these corrections and insert them into your article. If you do not then it is entirely your decision but unfortunately I will be forced to consider you a spreader of lies and untruths and your website will also be considered in such a way.

www.abovetopsecret.com

• URL on Meier: Many threads on Billy Meier in the site forum, do a search at http://www.abovetopsecret.com
• Initial Verdict: Most posters on forum believe Meier is a hoaxer
• Action Taken: None taken (Michael Horn tried to help them in this forum thread, but it appears they deleted this thread and other threads bar the first few responses. Quite a cowardly act indeed. They are beyond help. Leave them to their ignorance I say.)
• Message Sent: None