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Bodhran said ...

Hi that's a detailed analysis but I think you've missed some obvious points, there seems to be a clear difference in the jaw size in two pictures of the dean martin woman in figure 2 and figure 5, as these pictures are the same woman, any difference between the other pictures therefore can logically be attributed to angle of photography and facial expression,also the woman to the left In figure 4 is clearly standing close to the other woman next to her, wheras in figure 5 she is standing slightly in front and hence closer to the camera making her head appear larger. For whatever reason and by whomever, the pictures are clearly fake as has been stated by figu, this however does not detract from the hundreds of other thoroughly investigated and proven authentic pictures taken, except in the way it leads people to discuss hoax theories instead of focusing on the reality of the rest of the information. In my opinion, discussing these photographs and the few other obvious questionable example which have been stated as such by billy and figu is detrimental to the case as all you can say is that they are indeed tampered with or fake. Better I think to focus on what can be proven or even better on the message provided by the plejaran which is far more important than any picture.

--Bodhran 19:01, 5 September 2010 (BST)

Markvd said ...

It is said the DAL universe was born at the same time as our DERN, thus being known as it's "TWIN". If I would venture to guess, that would or could possibly mean a whole alternate reality similar to ours in appearance but could be more advanced in other areas. :)Thus this could be a possible hoax with no ill intent to see and capture fraudulant ET's claiming to see truth or it could be there is an Asket. I remember a contact report stating that it was OK to allow Askets photo to be seen because it would not affect her or Nera being from the DAL universe. However there is another theory that could be possible, maybe they wanted to see the current maturity of those that control power in the media and "HOW" they would handle the situation? If that was the case, "EPIC FAIL" would be the conclusion.

--Markvd 19:14, 5 September 2010 (BST)

Alive said ...

"...will be banned until their next incarnation." Jezzzuz Chrrrist !

---- M -- 16:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)

Symmetry said ...

Billy could have send his original or similar camera to taken her pictures again. Sure someone could taken camera to and from Universes, and it will take short time to take a snap without complicated instructions. I don't think it would be a burden on their precious times on both sides.

--Symmetry 17:22, 6 September 2010 (BST)

Video Vision said ...

Here's where the author of the article hereunder makes a crucial mistake: The two still images compared side-by-side in Figure 6 are NOT from the same episode of The Dean Martin Show!

The image on the right is from the program that was originally broadcast on January 28, 1971, while the image on the left was from the final show of the season, which was telecast on April 8, 1971. I ought to know -- I created, wrote and produced The Golddiggers Super Site. I am also very close to the lady identified as Asket, who, I can assure you, really IS Michelle DellaFave.

--Video Vision 12:25, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Alive said ...

Video Vision, you're the king, man.

---- M -- 15:32, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian 18:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)Photographic pictures have “residue” essences of that particular person and can be either negatively or positively influenced by those who have mastered their 6th and 7th senses (see FIGU Special Bulletin 038). That is why Semjase refused any attempt by Billy to take her photograph and she also mentions the dangers of doing so for those who reside in the same universe. (I forgot which Contact Note has it).

However, since Asket lives in the DAL universe which is separated by material belts from the DERN universe, any attempts to influence her are blocked.

I would assume the Plejarens have the technological methods to prevent harm by those wishing to do so.

FIGU Special Bulletin 038 With the reading of thoughts and with actual telepathy and all other neurophysiological factors, alpha waves play a big role, as with mediation, because these flow, in the thought-current, synchronously through both hemispheres of the brain, whereby they are also active with the processing of pictures and pictorial imaginings, as is also the case under hypnosis and in trance when the brain switches to the so-called alpha mode.

Thoughts and feelings do not only course through the brain, rather they also work beyond it and can be "transmitted", in the form of telepathy, across three light-seconds (around 900,000 kilometers) and be received and understood by another suitable brain.

There may be of some importance is getting new photographs of Asket, if she agrees to do so, maybe someone should ask BEAM? But the damage done by the MIB is permanent, it will always be a negative factor to counteract any more photos of Asket. People should instead focus their attention on the spiritual evolution and not material confirmations.

Alive said ...

Sometimes I think the pleiarens are too cautious. Billy let people took pictures of him and even made videos of him and even tested him with a lie detector. Billy drinks alcohol beverages and smokes tobacco. He listens to various kind of musics and chats with pretty women (terrestrial and extraterrestrial). Conclusion? He is a man.

---- M -- 21:00, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Alive I agree, none of those things are listed in the 12 commandments "10 to current majority of Earth population" :) There knowledge is beyond us at this time "Plejaren" thus we must be patient. Remember that usually the most eager to learn more from others through any means necessary turns out rotten in the end rather than progressing at a steady pace and understanding the current material available.:)

--Markvd 21:34, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Alive said ...

Markvd,

You said "...thus we must be patient." Be patient about what?

---- M -- 22:10, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Video Vision thank you for your comment. So there is 2 months time difference between the photos in figure 6? Interesting.

Can you ask Michelle the following questions to help us investigate this further, please?

• How many times did she and her colleagues go on the Dean Martin show altogether?
• Did she ever encounter any strange men during the period she and her colleagues were on the show?
• Was she ever asked to style her hair in a particular way for no logical reason?
• Was she ever asked to do anything else that was highly unusual?
• What does she think of the photo in figure 7? Ask her to look closely.

If you can do this, the answers would be very interesting and helpful. It could be disinformation of course, but still worthy of a read and a digest.

Thanks again.

--Jamesm 22:54, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Alive this is not directed to you or anyone but everyone. http://theyfly.com/newsflash95/Spiritual/The_wrong_way.pdf

--Markvd 23:36, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Alive said ...

Okay, Markvd. Thank you for the link. Proofing is foolish, but reasoning is not. I got it.

---- M -- 15:37, 9 September 2010 (BST)

RK909 said ...

logical and plausible analysis!

--RK909 23:11, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Although the men in black really did some negative manipulation of Billy's photos, they forgot to consider human's intuition and other senses that often supersedes the 5 basic senses.

This is a fine opportunity to use one's intuition and other senses comparing Asket and Michelle's photos, you'll notice a much more refined and evolved "essence" coming from Asket than the more aggressive nature of Michelle (no pun intended).

--Hawaiian 01:06, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

Thanks Video Vision for your comments.

Video Vision said ...

Greetings, one and all.

I just happened to come upon this page anew because the site stats at The Golddiggers Super Site showed that someone had linked to my site from this page, so I followed the link back here and saw all of the comments posted after I last visited in Sept. 2010.

Jamesm, I would be happy to try to answer your questions, but I preface any remarks that I make by stating categorically that everything that I write is information -- I don't engage in DISinformation.

WIth that in mind, here are the best answers that I can give you to the questions that you asked, in the order that you asked them:

1) Michelle was a cast member on The Dean Martin Show for four seasons, although in the first season, as one of The Golddiggers, she and the rest of the group appeared on only a handful of episodes (perhaps 7 or 8). For the remaining three seasons, she appeared weekly. So, if you figure that there were anywhere from 22 to 25 episodes produced per season, it's possible to roughly estimate that she and The Golddiggers and The Dingaling Sisters appeared on between about 70 to 90 episodes over the course of the period that she was a member of both The Golds and The Dings (Michelle herself has no idea what the exact number is -- she left it to me to do the math).

2) You asked, "Did she ever encounter any strange men during the period she and her colleagues were on the show?" Hey, are you asking me that with a straight face?!!! I mean, I don't know…Do people like Charles Nelson Reilly, Paul Lynde, Jonathan Winters, Dom DeLuise, Buddy Hackett, et al., meet your definition of "strange men"?!! Surely, they would qualify in some people's books!

Okay, seriously, I think I understand what you're asking here; and if you mean: Did she ever run into any sinister "Men-in-Black" types?...the answer is a definite "no".

3) The decision to put that curl in her hair on a few occasions was made by Michelle in consultation with the hair stylist on the show. But it was the Producer-Director of the series, Greg Garrison, who always had the final word on how he wanted the ladies on the program to look and dress. And while he was a very forceful taskmaster on the set, he was about as much of a down-to-earth guy as you'll find anywhere.

4) Not in connection with The Dean Martin Show. What she did in her private life before I knew her may be another matter…But she gives her assurance that she never had any contact with either alien forces or anyone trying to suppress any knowledge of them.

5) She thinks it's a blurred still of her appearance on the 1/28/71 episode of The Dean Martin Show. She doesn't use Photoshop, but I do, so I would add that the image could have easily been made to look that way in Photoshop; or if it was made prior to the advent of digital imaging software like Photoshop, it could have just as easily been made using analog photography methods.

I would add an additional point: I made all of the stills that are shown in Figures 1-6 from my own copies of The Dean Martin Show. I mean no disrespect when I say this, but seriously, guys: These are all images of Michelle excerpted from The Dean Martin Show -- nothing more and nothing less. I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, and I have no idea how credible Billy Meier is with respect to other matters, but I can ASSURE all of you that with regard to the pictures that we're discussing hereunder, they are ALL of Michelle, and if Billy Meier or anyone else is claiming that they are anything else, then that individual is perpetrating a hoax.

BUT, I would also add that, for what it's worth, Michelle has gotten a big kick out of all of this. She's flattered by the attention, and appreciates the kindness and respect that everyone who has weighed in on this subject has shown her.

I think it should also be known that she DOES believe very firmly in a higher power, but it's of a deeply spiritual, rather than an extraterrestrial, nature.

--Video Vision 11:44, 12 April 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Do not worry Video Vision none of your harmful words will penetrate the DAL universe and concern Asket at all. So fire away. :)

--Markvd 13:33, 12 April 2011 (BST)

Video Vision said ...

@Markvd: I mean no harm -- with words or in any other way -- and I come in peace. But I also speak the truth. :)

--Video Vision 02:45, 13 April 2011 (BST)

Alive said ...

Is it possible that Asket herself who made this confusion to protect her privacy? She is a high-tech woman anyway.

I read somewhere that Phobol Cheng said Asket's face is not like the face on the mister Billy's photograph. She said that Asket's face is a combination of several races. For me personally it does not matter much if someday it turns out that the woman on the photograph is Tina Turner.

Have a nice weekend, everybody.

---- M -- 19:14, 14 April 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

According to And Still They Fly, within days after photos of Asket and Nera were taken by Billy, the MIB found these American doubles and used the film from their film revue to insert into the pictures Billy had taken. With the help of S, Billy received these pictures of the American doubles and thought they were the originals, but they never were. This had been explained to Billy but due to his memory loss had to be re-explained by Quetzal and at that time Billy wanted to take the pictures out of the collection, but it was suggested they just be renamed Doubles of Asket and Nera.

--Sheila 15:47, 17 April 2011 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Thanks Video Vision! So as far as Michelle says, none of these images contain Asket.

I don't think that Billy Meier or any FIGU person has said that one of them contains a picture of Asket but the author of this topic, Francisco Villate, said that one of them might.

Thank you for your time asking her those questions and please pass her my thanks too!

--Jamesm 20:59, 17 April 2011 (BST)

Mrnorm said ...

This doesnt earn comment ,ive have had people come up to me time and time again at all times in my life asking me if im so n so, that i look just like him and thats just in the state of Illinois, people do look a like ...i see it all the time ...this guys an air head....and he probley has air heads that think and look just like him...dont ya think?

--Mrnorm 16:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Beggz said ...

For there to be irrefutable evidence that this is a hoax, then the Dean Martin show where the supposed photograph was taken, will have to be analysed until a match for the exact frame that the still was taken is revealed. Perhaps you will find it within the January 28, 1971 show as pointed out by Video Vision and confirmed by beautiful lady in question Michelle DelaFave?

Until such time that someone takes the trouble to access and analyse all the footage then there's always going to be a huge shadow cast over either hypothesis...

--Beggz (talk), Bogota, Colombia, 18:54, 9 September 2013 (BST)