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--robert 21:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Derrick Lee said ...

User talk:Derrick From Billy Meier Jump to: navigation, search "J.Z.Knight...Channeler of "RAMTHA"? True or false? You decide... This is a compilation of contradictions that I have compiled from the literature and or audio and video of "Ramtha" supposedly channeled by J.Z. Knight. 1. I am Ramtha: Ramtha claims that he was a human being that lived 3.500 years ago in Lummoria. Though there are no writings or evidence to support this claim of his existence by ANYONE in earth history, nor any physical evidence to support that a person by that title, "Ramtha the enlightened one" ever existed. .Let alone, led a great march and ascended his body in front of masses of people. If this were the case, wouldn't you think that someone would have documented this so called event somewhere in history? Or that they would share this amazing story and it would spread throughout the world? (such is the case with many religions of the world.) Not even a fragment of evidence can be produced to substantiate the existence of Ramtha as a person,ascended master, saint,extraterrestrial, or whatever. Death or ascension, Nothing but truth, Lawlessness of life,... These are some of the chapters in ramtha's white book that that can be disturbing if your looking to have a true cognition and find an exact answer through pure reason and logic. There is no solid answer to find or to be proven. The information doesn't stand up to normal phases of coherent reality unless there lies a "belief system" where one accepts the fact that he can't prove to "himself", or anyone else that the information is the truth, or a product of a "delusional sectarian" with money,fame, and machinations in mind. It seems to be a mish-mosh of philosophical views, poetry, personal beliefs, mixed with quantum overtones and pagonism. Throw in some music, and some wine, and claim to yourself and all, that you are a "GREAT GOD"! Ramtha even went as far as to tell his students that you can make material things appear right before your eyes if you focus hard enough. Of course J.Z. knight doesn't have to take responsibility for anything that "Ramtha" says, because she claims that "Ramtha takes over her body". But to have a "legal ministry", there must be an "Invisible God" somewhere in the equasion or picture. The whole channeling thing is disturbing because first of all, the thought of another completely "different personality or spirit enter your body", (as J.Z. claims), would mean that any life form highly advanced and far behond our evolutionary reach can , at will, and of course your "own will", can enter my body and proceed to teach us what ramtha calls "The great work". Producing solid gold in your hand from your thoughts alone.( If this were possible wouldn't you think that the Annunaki,ancient lyrians, or Plejarens would have done so to save their dying planet?

Here are a list of some of the principals taught by Ramtha : The foundation of the teachings of ramtha are what Ramtha calls "The four cornerstones of the school" which are: 1. Consciousness and energy create the nature of reality 2. Conquer yourself  3.Make known the unknown  4. behold God. Other teachings are... You are God , Manifesting from thought into matter, Nothing but truth, Death or ascension ,there is no bad or good just "isness", the lawlessness of life, and many more. These are just a few of the many subjects taught by ramtha that would be floating around in my consciousness for many years. The ramtha school considers itself a progressive school and requires all students to be current which means that if you haven't gone to the school in a matter of three months or so, you have to pay a beginner's rate and start all over again because Ramtha claims that to continue to receive the newest cutting edge spiritual knowledge given, "you must remain current". If this requirement is not met the student must attend a beginner retreat to become current again and again and again in many cases that I have seen first hand. I have also seen individuals neglect their normal resposabilities just to become current with fear that they cannot attend upcoming events unless they "stay in school".
 Ramtha says that he is from the "Plejares",  a star cluster located within the constellation of Taurus. 　It is difficult to exactly describe the full body of what is taught in the ramtha school because of the way that the information is presented in a non-chronological order. ( (without a chronological order) it is more difficult to pin point the ramtha information and research it to the finest degree and find the consistency with "the truth" according to "this reality" that we are physically bound to here on Earth and have only just begun to understand in a quantum level. However Ramtha claims that natural laws such as the "lawlessness of life, (A chapter in ramtha's white book) and other teachings containing key information don't apply to natural laws. They call eachother gods and masters in the school but seemingly fail to recognise "the truth" but say that everyone creates their own truth. This is a mind screw because then people start disregarding the fundamental truth and start treating each other with disrespect and act and think in a self serving, selfish manner. I could go on and on but I do think that over 25 years of going nowhere within the so called ramtha teachings was enough for me.

By Derrick Lee Salome 　

--Derrick 22:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)