Talk:DAL Universe

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enkhtur b said ...

It is still hard to comprehend that our universe can contain time shifted brothers on the same universe. With all efforts to digest and visualize cannot put them out into clear field. Sure, it is up to us to figure out this puzzle. One thing I don't undertsand is why they advanced civilizations have this gate between two universes that is dangering universes each other in case, somehow, one of the billion developing civilisations can figure out Ultimate chain reactions that can puvarize all of us and them. I guess they might have thought about it and have preventive self distructive Gate!!!

--enkhtur b 22:59, 23 May 2010 (BST)

Drekx Omega said ...

Interesting how the mostly humanoid inhabitants of the Arkon Star Nation, including those from planet Timar, originate from our own DERN universe, specifically from the Plejare.. Having travelled and settled there eons ago...

Yet, in spite of this DAL universe being of a differing time-space shift to the DERN, all matter there is of an identical type to that of the DERN....And can be transferred from one realm to the other, with suitable technology.

And we fascinatingly observe a ring-pas-not for the purposes of reincarnation for anyone who physically "dies" within the DAL, compelling their Souls to remain within that universe, in spite of an origin elsewhere... Very interesting data from our beloved friends, the Plejaren..... That matterial substance, matter, can remain the same, yet is "contained," along with spirit, within certain realities or universes....In accord with the creational laws...

Breathtaking data, which is truly excellent to know. And, following on from this, thankyou for allowing us to appreciate the fate of Ashtar Sheran and his band of renegades, who were involved in an attack on the Timar and consequently remain within the DAL universe....this fact completely nullifies the absurd "channels" who claim to communicate with the "Ashtar Command."

Gratitude to Billy, Semjase, Ptaah, Quetzal, Asket and so many other friends from cosmos....too many to include in my message..

In Light, Drekx Omega

--Drekx Omega 12:31, 24 May 2010 (BST)

zameen said ...

I have chatted with others on this topic and they find it impossible. But is it more possible that we will all be whisked away to crystal chambers to be quickly evolved? Doubtful

--zameen 14:12, 24 May 2010 (BST)

Mark said ...

I read about this DAL universe, I hear it has more stars than us. Thus my conclusion is Ashtar Sheran went there to attack Timar but didn't bring enough sunblock and got vaporized. Unconfirmed of course but why would they have more stars. I also read that Semjase went there to upgrade her knowledge or something like that so I guess the DAL is more of a spiritual realm. A guess, if you plan to go there bring some powerful SPF.

--Mark 06:17, 25 May 2010 (BST)

Drekx Omega said ...

In response to Mark:

I suspect that the DERN universe is just as spiritual as the DAL, as such an esoteric concept of spiritual wisdom is truly universal and measured by densities, rather than locations...moreover, spiritual services may be rendered on a multi-universal level.....

Thus, our dear collegue, Semjase, has been serving the inhabitants of the DAL as part of her striving for ever higher grades of esoteric abilities, namely those that take her upon the cosmic degrees, which may be numbered as four, by the Plejaren and named as follows, the ranks; of “Jschwisch,” “IHWH,” “Petale” and “Arahat Athersata.”

And I understand that it was that the "demi-goddess" achieved a level within the rank of Jschwisch...

Commander Quatzal, likewise, rendered services on Earth and elsewhere, that enabled him to assume this role also....which means that he is indeed a highly evolved member of Plejaren society....and above the norm upon planet Erra.

So it would seem that those contactees from the Plejare visiting Earth are mostly exponents of great spiritual wisdoms...with the small exceptions of two Plejara, one a child of eleven, who won a competition to travel to meet Billy Meier on Earth, the other a Plejaren supervisor working within a food production facility on planet Erra.

In Light, Drekx

--Drekx Omega 13:25, 25 May 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Ashtar ship and his followers got vaporized in the DAL universe, I believe his previous personalities/experience are still stored in the memory banks of the DERN universe. If so, because of the material belt that separates the DAL and DERN universes prevents access between them, Ashtar and those that perished in the DAL universe may reincarnate without any "foundation" to connect them to the DERN universe for billions of years until the spirit form is elevated high enough to "re-connect"?

This should be an interesting event, because time has shown that negative personalities often re-incarnate with similar succeeding personalities while in the DERN universe, take for example the Pharaoh's son who persecuted Jmmanuel, who's spirit is the same person reincarnated that shot and tried to kill Billy. How Ashtar's spirit form evolves in the DAL universe should be closely monitored, maybe it could serve as a solution to degenerated personalities?

Also, I assume Semjase is in the DAL universe, being closely watched by her sister Pledja to recover her former psyche and other functions through a relearning process that takes 70 years after suffering the near fatal accident at the SSSC.

Furthermore, since it was the Timar's associates in the DAL who performed this operation on Semjase, they are most qualified to monitor her progress and intervene should it be required.

--Hawaiian 19:52, 25 May 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

continued; Just a passing observation, since BEAM is a healer with direct links to the Arahat Athersata and Pelale pure spiritual levels, along with his proven Fluidual powers, why don't the Plejaren allow Billy to restore Semjase's psi and other functions to the same attributes as the period in time when she was before the accident?

BEAM's re-incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon a former BEING of the Arahat Athersata level, although in a coarse physical human body, does not mean "its" potentials are restricted to material attributes only, but quite the contrary indeed, I would presume.

Is it not the Arahat Athersata "The Precious One Who Contemplates the Times"? In other words, time is not a limiting factor? Then at the Pelale level where both the male and female attributes are merged as One, just short of the Absolute pure spiritual level where more creation is created.

Also, one has to ponder the fact that Nokodemjon the co-creator of the Plejaren ancestors, is now interfaced with BEAM and connected to other pure spiritual levels mentioned previously, therefore one can logically assume that these "interconnections" spanning both time, coarse/fine matter, BEING/Being attributes work both ways, since they "merge" without requiring the DERN universe to go it's natural way of decay and rebirth?

Just my observations, as I see it and begin to understand why Jmmanuel said that BEAM is responsible for ALL dimensions in the DERN universe give this assumption a little more validity. I don't speak or read High German, thus can only extrapolate this theory through the English translations. Therefore, those that do speak German could probably find some reference to validate or invalidate such assumptions in the books Billy wrote.

It's just another exercise of one's mind....Salome

--Hawaiian 01:13, 26 May 2010 (BST)

frank macri said ...

the explanation should be much cltarer

--frank macri 23:17, 30 July 2010 (BST)

ory said ...

whats the demension of the absolutum .

--ory 00:22, 16 August 2010 (BST)

shtitz said ...

our absolutum should have came from a higher form or maybe another absolutum but the pleiadian knowledge does not go any further than our absolutum , maybe the timers know the rest of the story or maybe some more advanced civilizations know that , but how come the pleiadians havent got the info from the older civilizations .this is interesting to know .whats beyond the absolutum in terms of time and space .

--shtitz 00:43, 16 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Ory, what use would it serve you to know the dimension of the Absolute Absolutum even if someone could tell you? I don't know the answer to your question by the way and who is to say there is only one Absolute Absolutum? As far as I understood it each Creation can evolve into an Absolute Absolutum and each Absolute Absolutum can create new Creations. Each new Creation will go on to evolve through 10⁴⁹ incarnations or you could say 10⁴⁹ big bangs and big crunches. My brain has now melted again.....thanks...

--Jamesm 00:43, 16 August 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

I think if one wants to known what is beyond the Absolute Absolutum is to get there and find out for oneself, "it" cannot be described even for oneself, since experience is a unique factor in itself as well! But the primary concern is the present and fulfilling the necessary attributes of evolution and spiritual development processes in the material realm, I assume because its a very long time frame to reach the Absolutum measured in many billions of years.

So it's best to concentrate on the now and near future, I would assume that once you reach that "state", for a better word description, all one's experiences as well as others are merged so that Creation itself, evolves also from this iota of knowledge, another drop added into this vast realm of evolution.

--Hawaiian 01:39, 16 August 2010 (BST)

ory said ...

My dear jamesm i guess your right , knowing how big the absolutum is serves no use to me other than fulfilling my curiosity about the cosmos . anyway i dont think even the pleiadians know the answer .right now im reading the book the pleiadian mission by randolph winters .i recommend it strongly if you havent read it already .and my very dear hawaiian i think that your absolutely right the best way to figure out how big the absolutum is to go there my self but my problem is that my vehicle is a chevy impala and its a 1990 model do you think i can make it? im sure its not able to jump into hyper space. but thank you extremely very much for such helpful answers by both of you guys .

--ory 01:15, 19 August 2010 (BST)

shnool said ...

as far as i know between the 10 in the power of 9 universes in the absolutum ours is the smallest because its in the earliest stages of evolution , of course in its peek meaning 156 trillion years old it would be larger . anyway the material part of our universe is a thousand trillion or 10 in the power of 15 light years wide ,if you include the creational area it would be 10 in the power of 64 light years , now how big is the absolutum i have no any information , and never heard of any one talk about it but lets see , a space that could contain 10 in the power of 49 smaller spaces that each is at least ten in the power of 64 light years and lets say they are not touching each other i mean thy are freely floating in the prime creation ( absolutum ) i can guess something like ten in the power of 10 in the power of 100 light years , that would be a logical guess .I hope that was helpful .

--shnool 01:32, 19 August 2010 (BST)

ory said ...

hey shnool thats what i call an answer , thanks so much .i can really relate to 10 in the power of 100 .

--ory 01:36, 19 August 2010 (BST)

ory said ...

hey shnool thats what i call an answer , thanks so much .i can really relate to 10 in the power of 100 .

--ory 01:36, 19 August 2010 (BST)

shnool said ...

by 10 in the power of 9 i meant 10 in the power of 49 forgive my typo .by the way its time to upgrade the old impala to a newer one but trust me GM has a long way till putting hyper space jump in its cars . good luck .

--shnool 01:39, 19 August 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

Within an Universe, the possibility of many different space-time configurations exists. So just like our own DERN Universe contain many space-time configuration, the DAL Universe also contain many space-time configuration. DAL Universe is not a space-time configuration of the DERN Universe - neither it is appropriate to take one of its space-time configuration and compare it with our space-time configuration in DERN Universe. Just that the DAL Universe was born a fraction of a second after the DERN Universe.

--Suv 15:35, 21 August 2010 (BST)

jjjjjeyyyy said ...

several sources say that the universe has no end to it , then they go on and say there is universal barriers that separate universes .how could something have no end and at the same time be separated with a barrier . someone please answer this to me please .

--jjjjjeyyyy 22:41, 21 August 2010 (BST)

jjjjjeyyyy said ...

several sources say that the universe has no end to it , then they go on and say there is universal barriers that separate universes .how could something have no end and at the same time be separated with a barrier . someone please answer this to me please .

--jjjjjeyyyy 22:41, 21 August 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

jjjjjeyyyy, at many places, the term Creation is used to describe the Universe, whereas at some place it is used in a broader sense encompassing our Universe, higher form of Universe, the Absolutum forms etc. The context is important here since Creation is infinite while the Universe is not.

It was however mentioned that the "end" of the Universe could not be reached. This is true in the context that there is no end of a double spiral. At max (imagine going sideways), only the Ur-space region and the transformation belt can be reached, which are again not the "end" of the Universe.

Only in this special case in which an artificial tunnel 100,000km long and 70 km wide has been built that penetrates the outer two belts of the DERN and DAL Universe, make travel between the two Universe possible. This tunnel is strategically constructed where the length of the tunnel required was to be the shortest (as the width of the belts are not uniform everywhere).

--Suv 17:15, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

jjjjjeyyyy, may I further explain:

The Universe is in fact a clockwise-counterclockwise rotating double-helix, egg shaped configuration in 7 fold form. The 7-fold refers to the 7-belts of the Universe. Just like it is possible for humans to give birth to twins, it is possible for an Ur-Universe (pre-Creation) to give rise to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,then 14,21,35,42 or 49 Universes. In our case, the pre-creation gave birth to twins - the DERN and the DAL Universe.

Our Universe belongs to the category of the lowest form of Creation, also referred as the Creations Universe. There exist other Universes in our Absolutum (1 Zahlanon), but as they not necessary nudge another Universe. So traveling between Universe is an exception, not a rule.

--Suv 17:22, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Suv, interesting explanation although I still don't understand the difference between Absolutums, Creations and Universes. Do you recommend the Spirit Lessons or perhaps the book Existing Life in the Universe to understand all this better?

--Jamesm 19:33, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

I've been rereading some web pages and I think I understand now, I hope. I've read the text before but my memory isn't as good as I'd like. The DERN and DAL Universes are Creation Universes which is the lowest form of Creation or Universe. Its the only one to have coarse matter and it has possibly an infinite number of dimensions/planes/space-time configurations. There are 10⁴⁹ variations of Creations or Universes (each being an incarnation of the Creation or Universe), the highest of which is an Absolute Absolutum which can create Creations or Universes. But in Contact Report 260 Billy talks about 7 levels of Absolutums and it becomes too difficult to visualise for me. Am I right? ( I referred to here and [[Contact Report 260|here] )].

--Jamesm 20:08, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

I have no access to spirit lessons hence cannot comment. Absolute Absolutum cannot create Creations Universe, but can create Ur-Universes, which in turn can create Creations Universes (like our DAL and DERN Universe). Creations Universe, after 7 progressively longer, but equal cycles of expansion and contraction becomes Ur-Universe and continues to evolve towards Absolute Absolutum which it attains after 10^49 cycles. All the 10^49 states of the evolving Universe are nothing but expression of Creation itself; so are the tiniest of matter and the smallest of energy and even the Absolutum Forms. In other words, nothing exists outside the realm of Creation, hence all that exists is Creation. You are correct that only Creations Universe have a material belt and make possible material existence and physical laws as we know it. When somebody talks about the Universe, its physical laws, stars galaxies, humans etc., it is only this type of Universe, i.e. Creations Universe, which is meant. There are a huge number of Creations Universe as well as higher forms of Universes in our Absosulte Absolutum. All of them, after an inconceivable amount of time would become Absolute Absolutums. Absolute Absolutum further evolves toward higher form of Absolutums.

--Suv 04:22, 23 August 2010 (BST)