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a = ( m * 1.5 ) / p
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* a is afterlife duration in years
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* p is the overpopulation factor (this is unknown to me but exceeds a value of 1 if the population of Earth is >529,000,000)
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So if I lived for 100 years in this life and the population wasn't 8,000,000,000 but was 529,000,000 then I could have been in the next afterlife for 150 years. But in reality, the population is 8,000,000,000 so I will/may be in the afterlife for much less than 150 years. It's somewhere between 1 and 149 years. If a FIGU member reads this please provide more information.
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Don't take this as accurate. It isn't accurate, and could even be significantly wrong.
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 10:24, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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Do not worry I have secretly developed a flash drive that lasts 1 billion years and have hidden it on every planet in all universes thus I shall remember all my favorite websites and hobbies. :)
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:37, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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== TheUFOGuy said ... ==
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Can I chose who I want reincarnate to? Can chose a body? How can I remeber my past life?
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 07:32, 29 May 2011 (BST)
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Answer my questions. Can i chose which next body I want? Also, what would happen if I were to die in a polace with no planets with life nearby? Say the void between galaxys. If I was in a en,type black space bteween andromada and milky way galaxy and die there will I never be able to have a body ever? What if earth were to blood up now with no escape what will happen to all the souls of earth?
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 05:35, 6 July 2011 (BST)
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A material personality cannot chose which body it will incarnate in, however it does have some conscious bearing or force that may influence one's spirit into which body (male vs. female) it chooses to incarnate in. This is based on "normal" creational evolution process; there are of course exceptions to the rule in cases of suicide or murder where the spiritual evolution for that particular personality has been prematurely ended.
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In such cases, the spirit will need to continue where it left off in a suitable body to complete its evolution per personality attributes. Thus it actually causes evolutionary stagnation.
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Besides this abnormal process, what body the spirit “chooses” depends on its positive/negative equilibrium balance in regards to the necessary required knowledge and experiences it needs for further evolution, which is also influenced by the quality of its past accumulated knowledge and experiences of its previous personalities stored in the memory banks of that particular planet it resides on. Thus, if one engages in noble humane causes that are needed for evolutionary development and prematurely expires for some reason, she or he will incarnate in a suitable physical body to continue the process.
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Suitable physical bodies of equal “potential” evolutionary attributes may not be available on Earth and may incarnate on the next closest planet or passing ship if within the 21-day embryonic stages of the fetus. However bear in mind (reference [[Contact Report 039]]) that there has been a number of established ET colonies on Earth and quite a number has incarnated with higher potentials than others.
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So the answer is complicated and based on each individual’s “Equational Potential formulation(s). One’s origins, whether Lyrian, Vegan, Yellow, Brown, White, Red, Sirian, Earthly or a combination of sorts will also have some bearing on the incarnation process.
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The primary concern one should have is how to access your memory bank and utilize “your” pass personality knowledge and experiences in order to interface with these along with other attributes that one’s current personality is capable of doing, which requires incorporation beyond the 5 basic senses and into the realms of the 6th and 7th senses, including both primary telepathy and spiritual telepathy. It is this harmonic frequency that “enables” one to surpass the limitations of light speed and link up to higher forms of Beings of similar frequencies or for a better word, higher evolutionary realms of existence.
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Therefore, the key to understanding this process is all “ingrained” in one’s Conscious and Subconscious and that both must be in harmony for maximum evolutionary development. This is only a small snapshot of the mechanisms that abound in this particular subject, much more can be found in the OM and other materials available by BEAM and the 49 inner core members of the SSSC.
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There are no such thing as souls, it is a corruption of religious dogmas to enslave one’s evolution, created by “gods” that are nothing but human parasites existing at the expense of others. There are only spirits and no “souls” and no “god” to determine your future, it is just your personality, spirit and knowledge/experiences through your free will to decide whether to evolve or not.
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 08:27, 6 July 2011 (BST)
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TheUFOGuy,
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Say you were to die in outer space, in between galaxies — let's say EXACTLY half way in between the Andromeda Galaxy and the Milky Way Galaxy — but at the exact millisecond you died, you were one millimeter closer to Andromeda. Then your spirit-form would drift to the closest human-life-sustaining planet in the Andromeda Galaxy — a planet best suited for you to continue the evolution of your spirit-form through more material lifetimes, whichever planet that might be.
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If the earth were to explode, all of the spirit-forms — human as well as flora and fauna — would move through space to the next closest higher-life-sustaining planet where they could continue their evolution, like the last scenario I mentioned.
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btw Hawaiian,
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I feel like the "soul" is an outdated term for "psyche" and has nothing to do with the immortal spirit, which is capable of evolution, if I recall correctly from the material.
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Actually, in [[Contact Report 213]], Billy inquires with Quetzal on this issue:
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Thanks for your information. Then something else: the creative spirit form of the person is wrongly designated as the soul, but at the same time, the value of the psyche embodies this according to today’s better understanding and sense. Now, the spirit form – respectively what the person designates as the soul, which is capable of wandering according to Christian and other religious faiths, even the so-called soul-wandering – is denied, especially by medical science and by many other would-be knowledge directions, as well as its ability to be reincarnated. How long will it be until the incorrigible ones acknowledge the fact, as it is even set forth by the spiritual teaching, that the spirit form actually exists and is arranged into reincarnations?
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23. With great certainty, the twentieth century will bring no scientific insight relating to this.
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24. However, it will look different after the turn of the millennium, as a look into the future of a related form has proven."'
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Also see [[FIGU - related terms]], [[Fluidal Energy]] and [[Contact Report 200]].
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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 08:27, 6 July 2011 (BST)
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I doubt many people from our planet would fit in with the intelligence and logically designed planets of some areas of the universe. I guess if you don't fit in with there evolution then you are jettisoned back from where you came a long ways off. :) Not intelligent enough yet or possessing enough human attributes consistently.
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 05:52, 7 July 2011 (BST)
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Can my soul choses which body to reincarnanted to?
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 22:49, 12 July 2011 (BST)
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If you save an entire world I think that choosing your body is a good reward for epic calculation capabilities. j/k I think it's random but I could be wrong.
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 05:30, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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Answer my qeustion if my soul can shoe a body?
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 07:06, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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Answer my qeustion if my soul can shoe a body?
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^ I mean answer my question if my soul can chose a body.
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 07:07, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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UFOguy, many things depend on what evolutionary level you are at when you die.  Aftering spending time in the ether, your spirit can incarnate into a body which has the same vibrational frequency.  Also the incarnation will happen within a 1,0000 km radius.  So your spirit being attracted to a family of similar vibration is not the same as your spirit making a conscious effort to choose a family.
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:52, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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So I have no choice who I reincarnate too? The new body is chosen for me? How cruel. More reason Why I want to live in my currant body. I hope to get a MALE body of a pure bred siran lineage and no t a mix siran or lyran vega. I hate the lyra vega lineage. They are the deisease and evils of the universe.
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 04:11, 15 July 2011 (BST)
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So I have no choice who I reincarnate too? The new body is chosen for me? How cruel. More reason Why I want to live in my currant body. I hope to get a MALE body of a pure bred siran lineage and no t a mix siran or lyran vega. I hate the lyra vega lineage. They are the deisease and evils of the universe.
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I don't know if it's wise to be able to choose exactly who you want to be. Let's say everyone wanted to be Elvis for instance imagine 8 billion Elvis clones on Earth, not a pretty site I would say. :) I think we would be under constant attack due to lack of creative freedom and ability.
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Thats not what I mean. When I mean chose which body , My soul should chose which body in the womb so I cold be born in. I canb;t choose evils now cause he is dead and noone can chose to be his clone unless they clone him. So when I mean choise I mean chose.
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I see where you went there UFOguy Evils and Elvis are you a codebreaker 007 Sherlock Holmes. :) Ah ha so you desire to become a detective. Imagine everyone wanting to have the Columbo look "BODY" same result as my previous post.
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I might arm myslfe aginst some Sirians with no mercy, they betray either mix with lyra vega lineage or allied with them. There should not be conisder sirius but lyra vega and must be killed. I will arm my slfe against lyra vega lineage. It is the their bodies and DNA gentics  Iwant eleininate. Only pure bred sirius lineage shall exists. The sirius sline are creation it self. As the universe exist becuase they created it. However evil exist and it creats evils like lyra vega lineage. Thus they will have to be destroyed. Only sirius line shall exist. Both dern and Dal rightlyfull belong to the siurius linegae and every other races must be wiped out.
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 06:51, 16 July 2011 (BST)
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Ufoguy, since the races have intermingled over time and there are now 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 races in the universe (as of 1990), how are you going to test all of them with DNA sampling?  Do you have any idea what DNA markers you will be looking for?  You have pretty wild ideas with no basis in reality.
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Btw keep reading contact report 251 over and over again until you understand it.  No one can make you understand, you have to do that all by yourself.
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 21:50, 20 July 2011 (BST)
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James it is time for this person to be banished from this site until the next incarnation. This has to stop or else more clowns like this one will soon join. Please tell ufoguy that he must go.
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 00:51, 21 July 2011 (BST)
 
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TheUFOGuy said ...

I have a question! The pirit has two choice, find a new body or live in finematter world for a while. So how long does have to live in finematter world?

--TheUFOGuy 09:13, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

a = ( m * 1.5 ) / p

where

  • a is afterlife duration in years
  • m is previous material life duration in years
  • p is the overpopulation factor (this is unknown to me but exceeds a value of 1 if the population of Earth is >529,000,000)

So if I lived for 100 years in this life and the population wasn't 8,000,000,000 but was 529,000,000 then I could have been in the next afterlife for 150 years. But in reality, the population is 8,000,000,000 so I will/may be in the afterlife for much less than 150 years. It's somewhere between 1 and 149 years. If a FIGU member reads this please provide more information.

Don't take this as accurate. It isn't accurate, and could even be significantly wrong.

--Jamesm 10:24, 21 May 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Do not worry I have secretly developed a flash drive that lasts 1 billion years and have hidden it on every planet in all universes thus I shall remember all my favorite websites and hobbies. :)

--Markvd 22:37, 21 May 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Can I chose who I want reincarnate to? Can chose a body? How can I remeber my past life?

--TheUFOGuy 07:32, 29 May 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Answer my questions. Can i chose which next body I want? Also, what would happen if I were to die in a polace with no planets with life nearby? Say the void between galaxys. If I was in a en,type black space bteween andromada and milky way galaxy and die there will I never be able to have a body ever? What if earth were to blood up now with no escape what will happen to all the souls of earth?

--TheUFOGuy 05:35, 6 July 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

A material personality cannot chose which body it will incarnate in, however it does have some conscious bearing or force that may influence one's spirit into which body (male vs. female) it chooses to incarnate in. This is based on "normal" creational evolution process; there are of course exceptions to the rule in cases of suicide or murder where the spiritual evolution for that particular personality has been prematurely ended.

In such cases, the spirit will need to continue where it left off in a suitable body to complete its evolution per personality attributes. Thus it actually causes evolutionary stagnation.

Besides this abnormal process, what body the spirit “chooses” depends on its positive/negative equilibrium balance in regards to the necessary required knowledge and experiences it needs for further evolution, which is also influenced by the quality of its past accumulated knowledge and experiences of its previous personalities stored in the memory banks of that particular planet it resides on. Thus, if one engages in noble humane causes that are needed for evolutionary development and prematurely expires for some reason, she or he will incarnate in a suitable physical body to continue the process.

Suitable physical bodies of equal “potential” evolutionary attributes may not be available on Earth and may incarnate on the next closest planet or passing ship if within the 21-day embryonic stages of the fetus. However bear in mind (reference Contact Report 039) that there has been a number of established ET colonies on Earth and quite a number has incarnated with higher potentials than others.

So the answer is complicated and based on each individual’s “Equational Potential formulation(s). One’s origins, whether Lyrian, Vegan, Yellow, Brown, White, Red, Sirian, Earthly or a combination of sorts will also have some bearing on the incarnation process.

The primary concern one should have is how to access your memory bank and utilize “your” pass personality knowledge and experiences in order to interface with these along with other attributes that one’s current personality is capable of doing, which requires incorporation beyond the 5 basic senses and into the realms of the 6th and 7th senses, including both primary telepathy and spiritual telepathy. It is this harmonic frequency that “enables” one to surpass the limitations of light speed and link up to higher forms of Beings of similar frequencies or for a better word, higher evolutionary realms of existence.

Therefore, the key to understanding this process is all “ingrained” in one’s Conscious and Subconscious and that both must be in harmony for maximum evolutionary development. This is only a small snapshot of the mechanisms that abound in this particular subject, much more can be found in the OM and other materials available by BEAM and the 49 inner core members of the SSSC.

There are no such thing as souls, it is a corruption of religious dogmas to enslave one’s evolution, created by “gods” that are nothing but human parasites existing at the expense of others. There are only spirits and no “souls” and no “god” to determine your future, it is just your personality, spirit and knowledge/experiences through your free will to decide whether to evolve or not.


--Hawaiian 08:27, 6 July 2011 (BST)

RemR said ...

TheUFOGuy,

Say you were to die in outer space, in between galaxies — let's say EXACTLY half way in between the Andromeda Galaxy and the Milky Way Galaxy — but at the exact millisecond you died, you were one millimeter closer to Andromeda. Then your spirit-form would drift to the closest human-life-sustaining planet in the Andromeda Galaxy — a planet best suited for you to continue the evolution of your spirit-form through more material lifetimes, whichever planet that might be.

If the earth were to explode, all of the spirit-forms — human as well as flora and fauna — would move through space to the next closest higher-life-sustaining planet where they could continue their evolution, like the last scenario I mentioned.

btw Hawaiian,

I feel like the "soul" is an outdated term for "psyche" and has nothing to do with the immortal spirit, which is capable of evolution, if I recall correctly from the material.

Actually, in Contact Report 213, Billy inquires with Quetzal on this issue:

Billy:

Thanks for your information. Then something else: the creative spirit form of the person is wrongly designated as the soul, but at the same time, the value of the psyche embodies this according to today’s better understanding and sense. Now, the spirit form – respectively what the person designates as the soul, which is capable of wandering according to Christian and other religious faiths, even the so-called soul-wandering – is denied, especially by medical science and by many other would-be knowledge directions, as well as its ability to be reincarnated. How long will it be until the incorrigible ones acknowledge the fact, as it is even set forth by the spiritual teaching, that the spirit form actually exists and is arranged into reincarnations?

Quetzal:

23. With great certainty, the twentieth century will bring no scientific insight relating to this.

24. However, it will look different after the turn of the millennium, as a look into the future of a related form has proven."'

Also see FIGU - related terms, Fluidal Energy and Contact Report 200.

--RemR 08:27, 6 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

I doubt many people from our planet would fit in with the intelligence and logically designed planets of some areas of the universe. I guess if you don't fit in with there evolution then you are jettisoned back from where you came a long ways off. :) Not intelligent enough yet or possessing enough human attributes consistently.

--Markvd 05:52, 7 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Can my soul choses which body to reincarnanted to?

--TheUFOGuy 22:49, 12 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

If you save an entire world I think that choosing your body is a good reward for epic calculation capabilities. j/k I think it's random but I could be wrong.

--Markvd 05:30, 13 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Answer my qeustion if my soul can shoe a body?

--TheUFOGuy 07:06, 13 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Answer my qeustion if my soul can shoe a body?

--TheUFOGuy 07:06, 13 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

^ I mean answer my question if my soul can chose a body.

--TheUFOGuy 07:07, 13 July 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

UFOguy, many things depend on what evolutionary level you are at when you die. Aftering spending time in the ether, your spirit can incarnate into a body which has the same vibrational frequency. Also the incarnation will happen within a 1,0000 km radius. So your spirit being attracted to a family of similar vibration is not the same as your spirit making a conscious effort to choose a family.

--Sheila 16:52, 13 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

So I have no choice who I reincarnate too? The new body is chosen for me? How cruel. More reason Why I want to live in my currant body. I hope to get a MALE body of a pure bred siran lineage and no t a mix siran or lyran vega. I hate the lyra vega lineage. They are the deisease and evils of the universe.

--TheUFOGuy 04:11, 15 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

So I have no choice who I reincarnate too? The new body is chosen for me? How cruel. More reason Why I want to live in my currant body. I hope to get a MALE body of a pure bred siran lineage and no t a mix siran or lyran vega. I hate the lyra vega lineage. They are the deisease and evils of the universe.

--TheUFOGuy 04:11, 15 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

I don't know if it's wise to be able to choose exactly who you want to be. Let's say everyone wanted to be Elvis for instance imagine 8 billion Elvis clones on Earth, not a pretty site I would say. :) I think we would be under constant attack due to lack of creative freedom and ability.

--Markvd 06:16, 15 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

Thats not what I mean. When I mean chose which body , My soul should chose which body in the womb so I cold be born in. I canb;t choose evils now cause he is dead and noone can chose to be his clone unless they clone him. So when I mean choise I mean chose.

--TheUFOGuy 07:13, 15 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

I see where you went there UFOguy Evils and Elvis are you a codebreaker 007 Sherlock Holmes. :) Ah ha so you desire to become a detective. Imagine everyone wanting to have the Columbo look "BODY" same result as my previous post.

--Markvd 16:05, 15 July 2011 (BST)

TheUFOGuy said ...

I might arm myslfe aginst some Sirians with no mercy, they betray either mix with lyra vega lineage or allied with them. There should not be conisder sirius but lyra vega and must be killed. I will arm my slfe against lyra vega lineage. It is the their bodies and DNA gentics Iwant eleininate. Only pure bred sirius lineage shall exists. The sirius sline are creation it self. As the universe exist becuase they created it. However evil exist and it creats evils like lyra vega lineage. Thus they will have to be destroyed. Only sirius line shall exist. Both dern and Dal rightlyfull belong to the siurius linegae and every other races must be wiped out.



--TheUFOGuy 06:51, 16 July 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

Ufoguy, since the races have intermingled over time and there are now 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 races in the universe (as of 1990), how are you going to test all of them with DNA sampling? Do you have any idea what DNA markers you will be looking for? You have pretty wild ideas with no basis in reality. Btw keep reading contact report 251 over and over again until you understand it. No one can make you understand, you have to do that all by yourself.

--Sheila 21:50, 20 July 2011 (BST)

Zameen said ...

James it is time for this person to be banished from this site until the next incarnation. This has to stop or else more clowns like this one will soon join. Please tell ufoguy that he must go.

--Zameen 00:51, 21 July 2011 (BST)

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